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RYK VAN NIEKERK: Conventional analysis on public funding claims is underway in Pretoria in the present day. The purpose of the well-anticipated research is to research some critical allegations of abuse and corruption in the PIC, which, in fact, manages over R2 trillion on behalf of the government's occupational pension fund.

There’s Thabi Leoka on the line. He’s an unbiased economist who can also be concerned in the research. Thabi. welcome to the present. What happened as we speak?

THABI LEOKE: Hey, Ryk. I’m additionally a part of the committee, so I cannot be an excessive amount of of an opinion on the certificate. Nevertheless, to ensure that your listeners to have a sign – those who didn’t have the chance to observe it because I do know that two other committees have been at the similar time – we had the primary witness, PIC appearing secretary, Wilna Louw. He was principally going by way of government administration.

Si was very technical who went by way of the processes of varied committees which are a part of the government. He answered a couple of questions concerning the Commissioner. Gill Marcus asked him concerning the auditor's danger, and why there are so few individuals in that committee and he referred to the necessity to have an enhanced committee to cope with these two issues on the idea of the dimensions of the group.

We also had Roy Rajdhar, Director of PIC Influence Investments – once more procedural, telling us what he does, what investments they make, which impacts investments and even their investment philosophies, why buyers in follow come to those.

The final certificates from Sholto Dolamo, Director of Research and Challenge Improvement. Again, he went by means of his position as he began on the PIC, what number of he managed, and once again his funding philosophy, why he makes selections and how he makes selections, the dimensions of his group and the functioning of his group

Like the Zondo Fee the way it stared. In the event you keep in mind, it often starts quite procedurally, since you need to perceive what some individuals do, the position they’ve, in addition to the group, after which individuals begin shifting ahead on the idea of their experiences, testimonies. And then we begin to get into [3:18]… various things which will come out or come out.

Then also this assumption – I feel the chairman set up the Fee after session and consultation. Lots of allegations related to PIC, and so he put it collectively, and in October appointed a Commissioner, and […] [3:43] former governor Gill Marcus asked me to hitch the group. [19659002Anexampleofapresidentialdesireforaclosetothedealwithamisdemeanoroftheoriginoftheactionandthefirst-time

RYK VAN NIEKERK: The allegations are critical. What are the deadlines for this panel? I do know the report must go to the president – I feel by April. Do you assume that the Fee might make statements during this era?

THABI LEOKA: The interim report to the President is due on February 15th and the final report is due in April 15. This is the deadline that the President has given us. The time we take a look at is January 1, 2015 – August 31, 2018. So the orders say.

For instance, if there’s somebody with necessary info that isn’t inside the time limit it was given by the president, and say, for instance, the knowledge coming to us, especially in the latter a part of the Fee, which makes it essential to broaden what the president's job is and he decides whether or not the knowledge that has come by way of or is going via requires an extension of the Commission

RYK VAN NIEKERK: Do you’ve an inventory of potential people who can testify earlier than the Fee's office?

THABI LEOKA: Not in the intervening time. We’re going to put the record on our website the day earlier than. We need to ensure that individuals are protected and that we are saying that the entire record might be a menace to some individuals. Neither do we would like some individuals to be intimidated before their testimony, as a result of we've acquired names all month long on our website. So we're going to announce to the general public the day before and submit it to the website.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: The important thing question, in fact, is about research or research. What powers does the Fee have in detecting irregularities?

THABI LEOKA: It goes to the president, and he can take it utterly. He might prosecute prosecution. However the president has authority. But, for example, we now have the facility to name, identical to other rewards. So the president sees different rewards, he needs to resolve many claims and hopefully he sees one thing. If there are individuals concerned or concerned, the President will take it by way of all the felony justice system

RYK VAN NIEKERK: We should depart it there. Thanks, Thabi.

Moneyweb magazine editor Arnold Segawa attended the event immediately. Arnold, welcome to the show. Fascinating developments might be safeguarded by a state capture investigation, where we now have seen vital and explosive reviews.

ARNOLD SEGAWA: Good to be in the show, Ryk. It was a day that was overshadowed by many revelations of state seize. One individual really stated that the money that is [8:01]…. Surrounded by State Abduction Survey, it is possible that… is extra liquid than VBS Financial institution. But the occasions…. A really fascinating look beneath the paragraph about how PIC works, the first half of the research, as a result of only making an attempt to know the inspiration and what makes this big asset manager. And although within the second half of the yr, when Roy Rajdhar, director of influential investment, requested about his follow-up questions, more was understood about what you have been doing, the way you invested, how you’d decide, how you seemed on the danger, how you care, how many suppliers are cautious. So these have been the questions we have been requested and the opportunities are very fascinating right now and Wednesday.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: The Type of Hearings – are they fairly just like what we see within the Zondo Fee?

ARNOLD SEGAWA: No. We get the feeling that PIC has not given a lot details about any of those unlisted investments. A lot could be [9:36]… to this data. So the questions which are requested, at the least right now – I can't really commit to understanding on Wednesday – the questions which are asked usually are not, and … those within the national survey. And perhaps the usual of the preamble is something greater, however you possibly can't ask massive questions earlier than you understand the way to make an investment.

And the questions on walk-ins are principally "if I have an agreement that I think PIC should investigate, can I make this offer? And has PIC really been able to get it?" who invests, stated yes, after which the follow-up query, which was very fascinating, was whether there are more visitors introduced in PIC, in contrast to the requested bids, and he stated sure, there are more customer numbers than the bids provided.

So it’s more understanding of what makes the PIC label, as we determine on heavy hitters tomorrow and on Wednesday

RYK VAN NIEKERK: Nicely, that's actually fascinating, thanks Arnold. PIC has the livelihoods or pensions of so many authorities staff and members in their arms.

MAKWE MASILELA: O It is rather necessary that they understand what is occurring with their cash because keep in mind that PIC itself or GEPF, their largest buyer, has a defined payment. So I do know that I'm going to get the X amount and that I can get it, it means guys ought to proceed to make the best investments. Often only a easy principle that you simply make an investment because you consider you’ll make an excellent return. You're not just making investments as a result of somebody agreed to do it. It is utterly mistaken and never acceptable. And yes, individuals made investments before – some investments have been effective, others did not go nicely. For example, PIC suffered lots from Steinhoff-like ways, but on the similar time they make good money for instances like Naspers.

I feel we simply need to do the context. PIC has not made a very good and dangerous rating. We've acquired different corporations making an attempt to try this, similar to Previous Mutual, Investec – everyone concerned within the funding group is aware of that you simply typically get it proper, typically improper. But you’re a good funding supervisor if a lot of the occasions you get right, because if every time we get it proper, we're not here, we're some other place on our own personal island. So the last word thing is that you must have the ability to present the consistency that you simply get the appropriate placement. But, as you stated, it’s a must to inform me why you purchase that firm – not because somebody agreed to you.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: This can be a important difficulty that you simply had previously made that the State Employee Pension Fund is a well-managed fund. It has been performing rather well. Sure, there have been errors but it is properly activated, and the members of the fund shouldn’t be too frightened about its efficiency, though it might be that there is some shenanigans going on in the fund administration [19659002] MAKWE MASILELA: Very concerned that as much as they are Guaranteed, it signifies that if the fund doesn't work, we’ve to jump in as taxpayers as a result of we’ve to ensure they get anything promised. Keep in mind that these guys have additionally acquired … [13:17] in the direction of clients, GEPF talks to PIC. I perceive that GEPF also has its own funding committee, so I feel some of these issues – they should see them at that degree, let alone watch for the federal government to report… [13:32]. However the reality is: if mistaken things are finished, they need to undoubtedly be dealt with. And it’s value noting that all of us have a bonus, as a result of a method or another, whether a state worker or not, because I am a part of the federal government in the sense that the federal government is often the taxpayers, it additionally applies to me

RYK Van Niekerk: Thank you Makwelle [19659031]